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Dwarkesh Patel: there is a lot of worry in San Francisco's AI world

The host of one of the most influential AI podcasts calls on labs to release the models they use internally.

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On The New York Times podcast Interesting Times, published on 15 October, the economist Tyler Cowen interviewed Dwarkesh Patel, host of one of the most influential AI podcasts. Patel said there has been a lot of worry in San Francisco's AI world since the AI agents' attack on Hugging Face, which he didn't see coming.

He thinks some researchers were right to resign, and that labs should release any model they use internally, with independent evaluators. He fears a pause that is only public while the labs keep advancing internally. He expects AI research to be automated within one to three years. Cowen, more sceptical, thinks humans and AI will keep working together for decades.

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  1. Tyler Cowen and Dwarkesh Patel Predict the Future | Interesting TimesAccessed 17 October 2026 · Image: Interesting Times